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Crystal Reports Book for .NET

Earlier I had blogged about my forays into Crystal Reports, so I ended up getting a copy of Brian Bischof's Crystal Reports .NET Programming book, which is 500+ pages on using Crystal Reports in a .NET environment.  I've yet to have a chance to read the book, been swamped with non-CR tasks as of late, but expect the book to be invaluable once the priorities shift back to CR, especially with some of the more complicated CR reports that are in the pipeline.  As I work through Brian's book, I'll be sure to post a review on my blog.

For those interested in writing, Brian's story is a unique one in the computer trade book industry.  Brian originally started writing his CR book for a publisher but the book got nixed due to the publishing company going out of business, IIRC.  Having invested the time into creating the majority of the book, Brian decided to self-publish the book.  I met up with Brian about 13 months ago, back when he was living in San Diego, and learned about the economics of self-publishing, as shared in this blog entry.  After talking a bit with Brian, I think I'm going to give self-publishing a try (eventually).

Of course, I shouldn't go on promising too much.  I've already promised myself I'd start writing fiction before the year's end, and that's looking less and less likely with looming deadlines both on the consulting side and book-writing side.  We'll see how the consulting gigs progress through the remainder of this year...

posted on Friday, October 29, 2004 10:41 AM

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# re: Crystal Reports Book for .NET 10/29/2004 5:16 PM Armando Andrade

Hello Scott, I work on the San Diego area, and im very interested in buying the book from Brian but it's out of stock in most sites, did you get it online? or here in SD? I would appreciate if you could tell me where did you get it.
Thanks.

# re: Crystal Reports Book for .NET 10/29/2004 5:58 PM Scott Mitchell

Armando, it appears as if it's in stock on Amazon.com. There's also others selling used copies through Amazon.com. I did see stocking problems a few weeks ago, but everything looks good now.

# re: Crystal Reports Book for .NET 11/18/2004 10:39 AM Mauricio Ramirez

I still do not understand how people can cope with using this horrible tool, plagued with sw problems, bad design, no help, and expensive runtime costs!!

Please somebody write a minimal tool that works without the need to buy 100 books and ask a 1,000 people and end paying like a 100,000 dollars!

Mr. Crystal Reports: YOU SUCK!

My 5 cents!

Mauricio Ramirez
moricio#hotmail.com

# re: Crystal Reports Book for .NET 11/26/2004 5:56 PM Anteneh

I am tired of crystal reports have u tried Active Reports. I think that is simpler and flexable than CR.

# re: Crystal Reports Book for .NET 12/6/2004 10:12 AM Brian Bischof

Re the problems with Crystal, I agree that it has usability problems. Fortunately, since releasing the book I've managed to get in contact with the Crystal development team and have made recommendations on improving the tool. I hope that these recommendations make it into a future version. They have also publicly posted the new features of CR.NET 2005 and they have some great stuff planned for the next release. We will see big improvements next year.

One thing to note is that the version that comes with CR.NET is a free version. The retail versions are totally different and have a much better interface. If you are truly frustrated with the CR.NET interface then you might want to consider getting one of the retail versions. As with most things in life, this is one of those "you get what you pay for" things. I'm crossing my fingers that the next version of CR.NET has some cool usability enhancements as well.

One more thing, I'm researching Microsoft's Reporting Services tool and I have to say that I'm surprised by what I see on the internet. Everyone is raving about how easy it is to use and what a great tool it is. While I certainly agree that Microsoft has made some great usability enhancements to the IDE (the Table object is very cool), this is far from being the panacea of ease of use. It's missing a ton of reporting features and their response is always, "You can write code to get around that." This means you have to write complex SQL statements and writing custom data extensions to do something simple like report from a DataSet. I saw one guy on the NGs post that this isn't much better than writing a bunch of XSLT to generate his own reports.

Why is everyone raving about this tool that makes you do most of the work for anything but the simplest reports? It doesn't even work with DataSets. How is this better than Crystal Reports? CR.NET doesn't have the best interface (I get quite frustrated with it also), but at least it does all the work for me. I don't have to break out all my SQL reference books to research the intricate details of Transact-SQL just to do group totals in the header.

I think people are more excited about having an alternative to CR.NET than they are about actually using RS. I saw one guy who took a week to get RS installed on his computer, then took forever to figure out how to write a report with complex groups. When he finally got it to work he couldn't get it deployed. Yet, he was still happy with the tool. What's up with that? Did he drink the kool-aid? I still have more research to do, but I'm still looking for justification for all the rave reviews.

Brian Bischof
wwww.CrystalReportsBook.com

# re: Crystal Reports Book for .NET 12/6/2004 10:28 AM Brian Bischof

Oh yeah, if anyone feels strongly against CR.NET, please send me your comments. Since I'm in touch with the Crystal development team I can make sure that your comments get to the people who make the changes. General complaints won't help us. It's public knowledge that a lot of people hate the product. We need to let them know the specific changes that we want implemented. What we think is an obvious problem might be completely missed by them. They can't read our minds so we need to let them know exactly what we want to see in this tool.

To send me your comments and suggestions, check my website for my email address.

Brian Bischof
www.CrystalReportsBook.com

# re: Crystal Reports Book for .NET 7/15/2005 9:49 PM Kerry Trentham

Brian,

I absolutely agree with you on the CR thing. The reason why I have migrated from CR is the fact that RS is free. My website that I am writing was going to cost me thousands of pounds in licensing fees for CR alone. Now the overhead is less than 800 pounds because I get a reporting service that exports to PDF for free. But I ALSO took a week to get RS installed, and after a month I STILL havent got my product deployed either. Also I miss all the OBVIOUS THINGS TO INCLUDE that CR had. If it wasn't a financial issue, I would definitely have stayed with CR!!

# re: Crystal Reports Book for .NET 5/18/2006 3:10 PM Clive C Banditi

You got a good resource there. Thanks

# re: Crystal Reports Book for .NET 8/17/2006 7:17 AM mEsofT

Got it!!

# re: Crystal Reports Book for .NET 12/4/2006 10:10 AM Pedro Picapiedra

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